20 May 2006
I found an interesting thread at the Internet Movie Database for the French movie Irréversible. The post is titled ‘Do men feel ashamed‘ and here’s the link, although you do you have to sign up to read it.
For those who have not seen it, this movie contains a horribly graphic scene where a guy anally rapes a woman then beats her into a coma.
The thread is started by some stupid female student, and, clearly relating to the violent rape scene, simply states:
This film is very negative and destructive.
Do men hate themselves for the way they are portrayed in the movie?
To my delight, the angry retorts (some amusingly sarcastic) come immediately. I’ve retained the poor grammer associated with IMDB posters for authenticities sake.
Very much so… In fact, I sometimes wonder how I can sleep nights knowing that I’m just living in a giant foreskin… I think I’ll go slit my wrists now…
In fact it annoys me more when all men are accused of being capable of rape,after watching that scene with my fiancee i can honestly say the shock and revulsion we both felt about this poor womans ordeal i could not put another human through that
what kind of question is that. do women feel ashamed by the way their portrayed as sluts in porns and are peter jackson fans ashamed by the way weird_raptor portrays them? of course not one individual dosen’t represent a crowd
This is my favourite reply:
you Bitches are crazy, not every guy has a rapist in his blood, us men have porn, you girls have the lifetime channel.
Here’s the stupid woman’s comeback, whereby she makes it clear she believes us men – even twenty-something men – are too immature to handle porn or movies like this, because our poor likkle brains cannot comprehend the ‘roles’ given to characters in movies. A hark back to the old Dworkinesque belief that watching stuff like this will make you want to go out and beat up and rape women.
I’m not crazy in the least.
I am taking part in a study at Dartmouth which maps the develpoment of the human brain post adolescence. The findings suggest that the human brain does not mature until sometime in the mid to late 20s. The study has been quite a success and we are now looking at how young adolescents deal with images that are beyond their maturity.
The male volunteers were asked about the use of pornography amongst their peers and all agreed this was frequently their choice of entertainment. They felt that pornography can be used responsibly but also agreed that much of what we see in pornography and in films is giving a false sense of roles and relationships between mature adults.
I asked my question because I think this film has to be one of the worst cases of damning representation of male sexuality that is available as an easily accessible pseudo/porn film.
You have given answers that simply reinforce the study…this film is being watched by people who are too immature to have any idea about it’s content.
Note how she backpeddles from her initial opening comment, which was simply asking if men “feel ashamed”, which was clearly only asked in the hope of a load of guys lining up to admit their shame in being male. Those of us acquainted with modern women and their, ahem, ‘arguments’, will have spotted the shaming language in the last sentence of her reply.
“I am taking part in a study at Dartmouth which maps the develpoment of the human brain post adolescence. The findings suggest that the human brain does not mature until sometime in the mid to late 20s. ”
I may be wrong but i am guessing you are around 19..??
“The study has been quite a success ”
I take it that you did not have much to do with the experiment then ?
“The male volunteers were asked about the use of pornography amongst their peers and all agreed this was frequently their choice of entertainment”
And the female volunteers..??? what about those results or was your experiment about trying to justify your comments ???
“I asked my question because I think this film has to be one of the worst cases of damning representation of male sexuality that is available as an easily accessible pseudo/porn film.”
psuedo nice word….i find your comments extremely immature too but eh you are the expert yes… 😉
yes i feel dirty being a brroding ape sperm that plants its seed violently in the nearest orephus…
WHAT KIND OF ATTENTION SEEKING FEMINIST STARTED THIS UNNECCESARY POST?!?!
don’t you feel dirty having PMS, PMT, Menopause and periods?
(I love that reply, but I hope he is being ironic in spelling orifice ‘orephus’.)
Yeah, i raped like that a couple times, can’t remember since, you know, i rape like, every night…in fact it’s either PS2 or rape. but meh, rape wins, DUH!
Men are the two protagonists, human, vulnerable and with good intentions beneath. Not the awful rapist monster.
Sure, there are facets of humans i dislike, some i can find in myself or anyone around me. What i do dislike is what Marcus does in the party, since guys do that, get drunk and kiss other girls who are not their girlfriends. It is as abhorrable as it is common, but that’s it, and it’s something men and women do in their own way.
People are *beep* imperfect, tempting, vulnerable but deep down ultimately benign and sorta decent.
The rapist and other characters, those are not people, they’re scum which does exist but fortunately not the average joe.
i heard this story on a crime site where some chick chopped her boyfriends penis off and threw it out of her window. dont you feel ashamed?…feminist b*tch
Oh yeah, the scene where the male taxi driver was driving a taxi really got to me, as did the male ems workers who wheeled marcus out on the stretcher. *beep* dirty pig men.
no not really because women can rape too so they should be just as ashamed
Finally, another great one:
After watching the O.C, do women feel ashamed for being protrayed as slutty, spoiled, crazy bitches wanting to be taken care of?
I doubt if they do. That’s what they’re mostly like anyway.
Interestingly, the film Irréversible contains another controversial scene whereby a man is brutally bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher, but the rape scene is always stated by critics to be the most sickening aspect of it. Sure, the rape scene is horrible, but to me the scene whereby a man’s face is smashed to a pulpy mass of bone and gore is worse (the identity of the murdered man is significant, but I won’t say why in case I spoil it for those who have not seen the film and intend on doing so.) But then, to most people, a woman suffering in any way is far worse than a man being horribly murdered.
Most importantly, the primary theme of the movie is of two men (the boyfriend and ex-boyfriend of the assaulted woman) trying to hunt down the rapist. The fembot who started the thread clearly focuses on the rapist as somehow typical of men’s urges and inclinations (and expected us to do so too) when, in fact, the over-riding theme is actually of two guys going out to do serious damage to the rapist. Why didn’t she focus on that? She could have asked us men how we feel about being portrayed as protectors of women, if we are proud that the film shows men as being people who risk life and liberty to avenge the abuse of women. But then again she’s obviously a dumb feminist, who only focuses on the bad things about us men, and seeks to shame us in the hope of harvesting our apologies.
Also, the rapist in the movie is, in fact, gay, yet this fembot, in the interests of political correctness, does not bother to ask if gay men feel ashamed about the scene. After all, it’s okay to have a go at all men, and heterosexual men, but you can’t single out gay men. That’s bigotry y’know.
posted by Duncan Idaho @ 5:14 PM