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21 August 2006

Games industry is ‘failing women’

The videogames industry is continuing to fail women by not producing suitable content, a senior executive at Electronic Arts (EA) has said.

Oh boo-hoo, poor wikkle women are being “failed” because there aren’t enough games aimed at them.

There’s plenty of games they seem to like out there, such as The Sims. Maybe they just don’t want to play games. Maybe I don’t give a fuck. This guy does, but only to make money of course.

I just thought of something. The majority of soap opera viewers are female; damnit soap operas are failing men!! Something must be done!!! Somebody call somebody! Etc.

Seriously though, let’s hope computer games don’t start becoming especially popular amongst free-spending girls, otherwise games – the only real media still not feminised – will go the same way as movies and turn into all out man-bashing shit just to attract women who, it seems, are only attracted to things that involve bashing men.


Like these stupid whores for example, in an article that seems to contradict the above one.

…more women gamers set up their own clans and become serious gamers.

Amber – or Athena Twin PMS – is the 28-year-old founding member and leader of PMS – the Psychotic Men Slayerz.

They are “sugar and spice with guns” and are the largest competitive, multiplatform (Xbox Live and PS2 Online), all-female clan.

Absolutely pathetic. They’re so full of hatred for men they have to call themselves Psychotic Men Slayerz (and Slayerz should be spelt Slayers too; stupid illiterate cunts.)

The BBC has a nice jolly empowering article about them; I wonder if they’d be so cheerful and triumphant having an article about an all-male gaming clan called Psychotic Killers Of Women. Of course not. That would be sexist!!!

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Don’t mess with teh us!

PMS is not just about getting more women into online gaming but it is about creating a safe gaming environment – while “kicking boy booty”.

Quite.

The most common complaint they have when they first enter a Xbox Live or PlayStation Online environment is about the constant harassment, sexual stereotyping and abusive behaviour of male players.

Yeah, unlike female clans with their non-hateful, non-sexist and non-abusive behaviour; you know, like calling themselves Psychotic Men Slayerz and bragging about (virtual) killing of men solely based on their sex. Yeah, real nice.

It seems they have a little satellite clan of whussy blokes to do their bidding, the Waterboys (sound like a gay boyband) whose “role is to be as supportive as they can to the PMS gamers.”

Those’ll be cybermanginas then.

posted by Duncan Idaho @ 6:01 PM
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At 7:57 PM, BR said…

Good post, I’ve been thinking along this lines as well, on and off. I just finished reading a thread on a games forum where a user had posted some concept art showing some pictures which included some scantily clad female fantasy characters (as well as others more conservatively clad), and the thread instantly degenerated into various manginas and the occasional female going on about how sexist and impractical such things would be…in a fantasy game, with mostly male players. Go figure.

The few voices of reason that piped up were ignored, such as one that pointed out that some women, both in games and reality, like such outfits, and that it’s nice to have options.

And that’s just one example. Unfortunately, I’ve been seeing too much of such attitudes in gaming of late, both in developers and fans. I recall one dev from the “Chronicles of Spellborn” game freely admit that they were trying to appeal to women in particular with their character designs, and that he hated it when people who played female characters tried to make them look sexy.

I recall an interview with someone who had been overseeing setting up a new scholarship program for people interested in game design/programming or some such pursuit at a school, and the person said she considered it a “failure” because all their applicants for the program were male.

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At 8:07 PM, Lord Feverstone said…

Of course, companies associated with the gaming industry want to expand their market and their bottom line. Putting it in terms of “failing women” seems melodramatic to me.

I like to play games myself; they can be fun, but the frustration is always there.

Instead of trying to woo females into becoming gamers, perhaps the industry should try creating games worth spending money on. There are gems out there, but those seem to be woefully outnumbered by average and absolutely dreadful games.

If women are so relationship-oriented, why does the gaming industry think their games stand much of a chance against real relationships?

The fact of the matter is men are going to be the dominant force in the gaming market for obvious reasons. Seriously, it does not require a doctorate to realise boys tend to be more fascinated with playing video games than girls do.

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At 8:22 PM, Anonymous said…

Mr Gardner sounds like just another plugged in corporate/government mangina and the PMS girls are a bunch of camp followers.

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At 8:34 PM, ChicagoMan said…

I think if they created games such as “kill all the men”, or a game where you rob men of money, or better yet, a dark RPG, one where the lower your morality the higher your score might be good. Of course Only men are good at programming anyways, so it would take alot of prostituting themselves to male programmers to actually get the game made.

Not to mention they would suggest all those games would be freeware to the Oppressed, thus this venture would never succeed.

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At 8:34 PM, Lord Feverstone said…

I recall an interview with someone who had been overseeing setting up a new scholarship program for people interested in game design/programming or some such pursuit at a school, and the person said she considered it a “failure” because all their applicants for the program were male.

What did she expect? Most programmers or prospective programmers are men, and the vast majority who would have an interest in game development, which often requires knowledge of mathematics and physics, would be men.

These people are in serious denial about sex differences.

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At 8:38 PM, ChicagoMan said…

And why are the women concerned with kicking boy booty? Why is that they always make things sexist. Men are concerned with kicking booty, women, huh, boy booty.

This solidifies all the thought out there that feminists and most western women are just anti-male.

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At 8:40 PM, Ald said…

Duncan, please post the other picture from their website next to the one you already have. The one with girls in tight outfits.
And then a few comments on who they are and who they think they are.

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At 10:34 PM, Anonymous said…

This was not unexpected, if you think about it. The big V has penetrated into almost every other male arena. No reason to leave computer gaming alone.

The next logical step of course, following the ratings system, would be controlling games for content:

– S = sexist
– M = Misogynistic

Followed by demands from the loud estrogen rabble for changes in game content so that it is not “harmful to women”. You saw the first shot in this with Grant Theft Auto: San Andreas cheats a while ago that could disrobe women. The rationale for changing that was to protect children, but the precedent has been set.

Following the pattern the continued effort to psychologically castrate males might lead to a “ban” on production of these types of games (at least by the main publishing houses). Underground efforts might make that hard to stamp out entirely, but with enough propaganda violent video games could be rebranded as a new type of “child pornography”. Must be ended at all costs to protect women and children.

At some point passive resistance doesn’t work anymore. The forces of evil just keep hounding you no matter how deep you go. Violent reaction is required. Molotov Cocktails (very easy to make) being hurled at our tormentors are a GREAT START!!!

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At 10:50 PM, Pete said…

Ever notice how men who play video games are losers and geeks (as mentioned in a post just a few days ago) and now we are told that women who play video games are empowered and strong?

It isn’t even that just because men constitute the majority of gamers – after all, women constitute the majority of people who go to beauty salons and shopping, those aren’t called losers are they?

It all comes down to whoever is making the companies more money. Yet again. But that doesn’t explain why men who go shopping are still vilified – maybe not in mass media but in closer circles.

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At 11:53 PM, Lord Feverstone said…

This solidifies all the thought out there that feminists and most western women are just anti-male.

As if it needed solidification…

Many women seem to make it their goal in life to compete with and humiliate men. I am not saying many succeed, but they seem to want it earnestly. And I thought women were supposed to be superior because of their cooperative instincts. *rolleyes*

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At 6:17 AM, Anonymous said…

http://www.sissyfight.com/

SiSSYFiGHT 2000 is, like, an intense war between a bunch of girls who are all out to ruin each other’s popularity and self-esteem. The object is to physically attack and majorly dis your enemies until they are totally mortified beyond belief. You’ll never come out on top without making the right friends, so be careful who you’re nice to. Because in the end, only the shrewdest will survive with their social status intact!

About:
Like, everybody wants to be popular, right? But not everybody *can* be popular. It’s just not an option, you know? I mean, if everyone was popular, then who would the uncool people be? Somebody has to be uncool. It’s just that simple.

So, this game, SiSSY FiGHT 2000, is a lot like life. You’re out on the playground, and all these annoying girls are trying to, like, attack you and harsh you out. But you can’t let them. You have to, like, do to them what they totally are trying to do to you. You’ve gotta majorly dis them and mess with their faces and like seriously crush their self esteem until everybody knows that they are mega-loser sissies and you are, like, “the mack.” Y’know?

Oh yeah. Here’s an important thing for you to remember. If you wanna win this game and be most popular, you definitely have to make the right friends. Because the best way to, like, totally let a particular girl know what a worthless dweeb she is, is to, like, seriously gang up on her. So while you’re playing, make sure to chat with the cooler people in the game and discuss the different ways you plan to join forces to majorly crush these massive dweebs. In the end, they’ll be outta the game, and you… well, someone has to be the Empress of the Universe, right???

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At 12:36 PM, jay c said…

lord feverstone wrote, “If women are so relationship-oriented, why does the gaming industry think their games stand much of a chance against real relationships?”

jay c responds, “You mean real relationships like MySpace?”

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At 2:23 PM, darkbhudda said…

Game companies have already wasted untold amounts of money to appeal to girl gamers. They’ve had female development teams that only produced mediocre games. They have the scholarships, already mentioned, where women don’t even bother applying. They have all these clans, paid for with male gamers money.

The bigwigs at Warner Bros who released Superman Returns admitted that ticket sales

I’m sorry, but for years you have been telling us the female demographic was the one you were interested in. So you purposefully poisoned movies with your misandry.

You have reaped what you sowed.

In online games I have never seen a women or female character put down. Now I have seen braggard, arrogant males put in their place. Maybe when these females get online and spout girl power, anti-male crap, they are finally being stood up to. Poor little dearies. I find it funny that the person who first showed them their girl power was a media myth and kicked their ass was a nerd.

Just read the sort of bragging they do. They talk about how one of them can beat most guys. Yeah, because games journalists are really going to check their claims.

Even if it is true that one out off all of them could beat 51% of guys they play against, whoopydee doo dah. More guys play, so bragging you beat some 9 year old kid doesn’t seem that special. Well, at least to guys it doesn’t. But I guess to a female, beating any male is a victory akin to climbing Mount Everest.

Geez, for the right sort of money, I would play games all day and be the best too.

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At 4:35 PM, Anonymous said…

Oh dear…

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At 4:53 PM, b said…

Guys,

Enjoy this video of Athena Twin and her shitty PMS clan getting pwned by some male gamers. 😀

http://media.putfile.com/PMSTRL

(note you have to fast forward as it happens near the end)

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At 7:07 PM, Lord Feverstone said…

jay c responds, “You mean real relationships like MySpace?”

At least through the Internet one can develop relationships with real people. I am not saying these online relationships are particularly deep; it depends on the people interacting.

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At 8:22 PM, Dante said…

This post inspired me to write this up 🙂

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At 4:09 AM, Happy Bullet said…

Man..

I’ve been playing a game called Neverwinter Nights recently. In the game, I decided to play as a psychotic female character (I dunno, probably for some twisted sexual objectification roleplay reason, but anyway..) there’s crap in the game like conversations with other female characters to the effect of “the power of a bold woman is boundless” like I might get off on that.

The really funny thing though is that the female character has options where, to pass puzzles, you can go to a male character and “[flirt] are you sure there’s not something we can work out” as an example and THE FAG DOES WHAT YOU WANT, thereby bypassing regular figuring out of the fucking puzzle.

It’s like there’s positive discrimination in the video game. Uhh probably because the games have been originally aimed at a patriarchal audience for so long, or some bullshit like that.

I found those options really patronizing, but hey, that’s me and I’d rather look at a chicks arse on the screen than a guy’s.

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At 4:29 AM, Mouse said…

Once again, the people who post in this blog are ill informed. As a professional female Counter-strike and Battlefield 2 player, I could give a rats ass if i’m kicking guy’s asses or womens asses. In fact, I prefer kicking the rotund asses of females to men. Also, It is not even known to some of my lower clan mates that I am a female. Thats the way I want it. I don’t get paid by the match to be hit on by men who’s balls haven’t even dropped yet. Who cares if women have their own all female clans. Men have all hispanic clans, or all Brit clans, ect. Its just about forming clans with people who have a common ground. As being female in the industry is a rarity i’d be surprised if there wasn’t and all girl clan. I’m wondering if there is an all Midget clan out there somewhere. Who cares what they call themselves also… they don’t even put that much thought into it. For crying out loud, my clan name was o_O for a year and a half until we could think of something. Why is it so bad that females feel the world is dominated by men? To be honest, It is. I personally couldn’t care. I dominate my school in academics.. I dominate my business.. and I dominate the gaming field. However, its true that most games aren’t targeted towards females and I completely understand why they would be kind of pissed off about that.

It’s odd to me that there are so many people in this blog’s reader audience that have such negative views on females. Check this out… we are all humans. Technically speaking, we all have a penis (don’t believe me? Do a little studying on human anatomy and sexuality), and we all bleed the same blood. Not only that, it seems like an awful waste of what could be actual brainpower that is spent just bashing a person because of their bodily differences. Come on boys… didn’t your mothers ever love you? or was your dad to busy trying to plug you that you missed that part of your childhood? 🙂

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At 4:51 AM, Mouse said…

Oi, if you have ever even played with some of these female clans, they suck anyways. Just look at the “Frag dolls” records. Pft.

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At 6:59 AM, pete said…

Once again, a female shows that she just can’t resist the shaming and blaming language and drops that last little tidbit about child abuse in, as if men really appreciate being abused.

Cunt, did you know that women abuse male children much more than men abuse either of their children? Or that single mothers (with all their boyfriends) are far more likely to abuse their children than single fathers?

We may bleed the same blood but the woman supremacists certainly think females are better in every way.

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At 7:18 AM, Duncan Idaho said…

It’s odd to me that there are so many people in this blog’s reader audience that have such negative views on females.

That’s the problem you see; you think it’s odd that many men – both here and in the Western World at large – have a negative view of females.

It’s not odd at all, it’s utterly normal, not to mention predictable, given the way women act these days.

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At 8:39 AM, Anonymous said…

Poor mouse’s boyfriend.

15 years down the line when the family courts have reduced him to a pauper who’s not allowed any contact with his kids he’ll wake up and see the truth.

Too late dude.

You’ll be screwed.

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At 11:19 AM, Masculist Man said…

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At 12:25 PM, darkbhudda said…

Mouse: said…

“Once again, the people who post in this blog are ill informed.”

Well, we were all well informed until you came along. Now we are all just feeling ill.

“In fact, I prefer kicking the rotund asses of females to men.”

That is called sexual discrimination. But we’ll let you off as we know you are just hiding the fact that if you played against guys they would kick your ass.

“I don’t get paid by the match to be hit on by men who’s balls haven’t even dropped yet.”

When women hit on men on games you call it flirting. It is disgusting. I’m trying to play online and I have some tart whose pubic hair hasn’t grown yet telling me that I sound hot.

“Who cares if women have their own all female clans.”

Well, all those female game columnists do, so they don’t appear shallow after always talking about themselves for every single column.

It is the all female clans who will not shut up about how superior they supposedly are (when they aren’t) just because they have a vagina.

“I’m wondering if there is an all Midget clan out there somewhere.”

Probably, but they don’t feel the need to advertise how much better they are than non-midgets.

“Who cares what they call themselves.”

Because guys have their clans banned for far less offensive names.

“… they don’t even put that much thought into it. For crying out loud, my clan name was o_O for a year and a half until we could think of something.”

It took 18 months to think of a name. Proof that men are more intelligent.

“Why is it so bad that females feel the world is dominated by men? To be honest, It is.”

To be honest, it isn’t.

“I personally couldn’t care. I dominate my school in academics.. I dominate my business.. and I dominate the gaming field.”

This is what pisses us off. Every single female claiming they are the best at everything. Guys who spout this crap get beaten up.

You cannot all be the number 1 in every field. 50,000 girls are not the number 1 best at Counter-strike. Only one person is. But since girls aren’t good at maths, I’ll let that slide too.

“However, its true that most games aren’t targeted towards females and I completely understand why they would be kind of pissed off about that.”

Then buy Barbie’s Unicorn Shopping Playhouse Ultimate Adventure. They’ll make more like it. Stop trying to destroy games males like just because no one wants to buy “girl games”.

“It’s odd to me that there are so many people in this blog’s reader audience that have such negative views on females.”

It’s odd that you don’t. But I guess we are not all blessed with brains.

“Technically speaking, we all have a penis (don’t believe me?”

Well, at least you’ve evolved past penis envy.

“Do a little studying on human anatomy and sexuality), and we all bleed the same blood.”

Actually, only I bleed my blood. You being in a different body bleed your own blood. Perhaps you need to study anatomy.

“Not only that, it seems like an awful waste of what could be actual brainpower that is spent just bashing a person because of their bodily differences.”

Thanks for summing up feminists.

“Come on boys… didn’t your mothers ever love you? or was your dad to busy trying to plug you that you missed that part of your childhood? :)”

Well, I guess you were plugged so often during school, you need to play games for a living as you are too mentally challenged to do anything else.

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At 1:36 PM, Mouse said…

Duncan-

I’ve been trying to tell you, not all women act like that. Granted there are alot of them, but women aren’t all they way you are trying to portray them. 😛

and Pete-
Yeah, I throw in a bit of something to insult you guys, Considering you refer to women as cunts and slags the whole thread, I think i’m allowed to insult you back since you use such ugly words as adjectives.

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At 2:23 PM, Anonymous said…

and we all bleed the same blood

Men don’t trust something that can bleed for five days and still live.

It’s odd to me that there are so many people in this blog’s reader audience that have such negative views on females.

And what caused this negative view of females? I’ll give you three guesses.

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At 2:08 AM, Happy Bullet said…

haha mouse..

We’re bagging the same women you hate (and probably bag yourself to other people).

“Why is it so bad that females feel the world is dominated by men?”

That’s not necessarily bad. What’s bad is “so here’s how we have to correct that”. BECAUSE IT ISN’T.

“I personally couldn’t care. I dominate my school in academics.. I dominate my business.. and I dominate the gaming field.”

I think that’s the attitude to have. Pity MOST women (like you say), don’t think that way and bemoan their oppression and try to influence the status quo, which is the issue here.

Here’s a question, what do you think of feminists that want you to feel oppressed and think you’re a wimp for not doing anything about it, you reckoning you dominate regardless not withstanding. Personally I’d feel very patronised by things like affirmative action…

Anti-Feminism is not Anti-Female just because we hold females to the same standards we are held to (and they don’t live up to them.. “mostly”).

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At 7:14 PM, Anonymous said…

Here’s a thought. Games companies make money by selling games. If they really are “failing women” then they’re actually losing sales.

If there were a huge untapped market of women gamers who desperately want to play but can’t, the games companies would be chasing after them. They wouldn’t need to be told they’re “failing” people as if they were public services.

The more I look at this article the less point I see in it.

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At 8:09 PM, KellyMac said…

I saw this. LOL it cracks me up! Seriously, how many women do you know who are gamers? Sure I like my PS2, and my WoW, and my sim games and shooter games as much as the next girl, but COME ON! Women are NOT the bread-and-butter of the gaming industry. If you want to make a few aimed at women, be my guest, but they will NEVER be the money-makers that mainstream games are. A smart business markets to their demographic, and in this case, it’s the male of the species. I can’t really say boys, or young men, or grown men, because I think it’s about even between all of them.

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At 5:40 AM, BR said…

Well said, Kelly. Sometimes people just aren’t realists about these things.

I recall having an argument once with a female gamer on a games forum who refused to admit that there were more male gamers than female, she started out sincerely trying to claim it was a 50/50 split, while at the same time demanding to be catered to even more than a 50/50 split would warrant.

After I told her to walk into a gaming store, count heads, then subtract the women who are either there with their boyfriend/SO while he shops, or are picking up a game for a kid/relative, she grudgingly came down to 60/40. It was pretty funny, though frustrating as well.

I’d actually like it if it were 50/50…provided we were treated equally in a real sense, rather than the feminist version. Needless to say, neither part of that equation is going to add up anytime soon, if ever.

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At 4:12 AM, TestSubjectXP said…

If women are so relationship-oriented, why does the gaming industry think their games stand much of a chance against real relationships?

Bingo! The gaming industry targeting women makes about as much sense as a department store having a Men’s Intimate Apparel section.

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