Women want too much


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23 September 2006

Is modern life ruining relationships?

This is a selection of response to the above question, with the most interesting being from some guy named John Naish:

My father was a tweedy bloke, brought up in an era when a chap should just have a job and a hobby and leave all the domestic stuff to his good woman. But Dad could be moved to tears by hearing something terrible on the news. And he loved to cook. So he was considered a bit of an odd fish.

These days, emoting and compoting are de rigueur for any eligible middle-class male. Expectations of men in relationships have been growing hugely since the 1970s, with the advent of our feminised society. But expectations can be made to run too far.

In former times, a man could remain socially cack-handed but reasonably expect that a young woman would take him on. After all, until the 1970s young women had to find a man to marry in order be socially respectable, to have children born “on the right side of the blanket” and even to get a mortgage. Now that women don’t need a man to function in society, they are free to raise the bar on male behaviour.

A lot of men are happy to meet the challenge. But many are just not wired that way. It’s surely no coincidence that we are witnessing an explosion in diagnoses of Asperger’s syndrome, a spectrum disorder that mostly affects males and runs from normal to mild autism.

Somewhere at the “normal” end, what we really get is “bloke being bloke-ish” syndrome: difficulty communicating or expressing emotions; obsession with arcane information such as football statistics or car engines. Modern society doesn’t like this and defines it as illness.

There have always been clashes of expectations between the genders. You only have to read Chaucer’s Wife Of Bath’s Tale to see how deeply it is ingrained. And high aspirations can indeed improve civilised behaviour. But this modern clash is spinning beyond reconciliation, thanks to our have-it-all society, and particularly the women’s media, which continually ups the ante for what gals should expect of blokes.

The latest perfect male should be a warrior in the workplace and six-pack god in the gym, as well as an angel in the kitchen, whore in the bedroom, deity of dadhood and metrosexual wonder in the wardrobe department. Faced with ever more expectations, how do men respond? Many gamely take up the gauntlet. But plenty of others just retreat into the sexist, lads’-mag world of Zoo and Nuts. Thus the number of male heterosexual paragons is shrinking, while the list of Sex And The City-inspired requirements grows ever longer. The result? Steadily accruing dissatisfaction on both sides.


He’s got it right that women have wildly absurd expectations from men, but he should point out that women fail to meet us men’s more brief expectations from them. In fact most women take pride in having nothing to offer men and in the all the Red Flags they have; witness the number of women who actually brag about being shit at cooking, or how much credit-card debt they have, or how they don’t want to have children until they’re in their thirties even though they’ll probably be as fertile as the Sahara by then. Us men still want from women what we’ve always wanted; young, fertile, pleasant, modest and supportive. Women have increased their expectations from us men whilst deliberately refusing to meet ours. And then they whinge because us men don’t want them, except for occasional sport-fucks.

Plus he doesn’t point out the obvious fact that women, of course, can discard a man from a relationship but he will be expected to keep his obligations to support her.

All in all, though, a good piece. Nice to see condemnations of women’s attitudes and “feminized society” regularly cropping up in the mainstream media.

posted by Duncan Idaho @ 10:54 AM
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At 12:50 PM, HAWKEYE said…

you know duncan
you really should write a book.
i agree with all that you have said no doubt about that but on the street level how does this effect us,well i want to the pub the other night (yes she let me out)and no shit the females on offer was amazing !
gangs of single females all dressed like hookers and fully available ,so this must be a direct result of what you have said , they are all too picky to settle with a “regular guy”they want wealth ,looks and they want it NOW ,

poor dears they are so deceived its not funny.
in the end though any man who can work hard and get himself a home can pick and choose his womans from the rank upon rank of lonely 30 plus females.
just make sure they sign a pre nup or put it in your brothers name.

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At 4:07 PM, Anonymous said…

Notice how many women have become petaholics now? Dog and cat ownership is epidemic amongst single, young women because they are trying to fill the vacuum created by the lack of a man and baby.

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At 4:27 PM, Tiny Tones said…

Yes indeedy, those women really do have it far too good these days. Christ on a bike – soon they’ll start demanding society actually makes good on the whole ‘equality’ thing rather than just pretending it’s already happened and then criticizing them if they dare to ever question it.

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At 5:17 PM, nevo said…

You wouldn’t believe how much the article describes my ex.
For over ten years I had to live my life to her expectations. I have to see how, up to 70 hours a week of my life, went down the drain called *a Job*.
Now, I have no work. Therefore, she’ll have to work for her wants.
I have exchanged some lousy sex life for freedom to enjoy whatever pleases me.
I spend a lot more time with my children. Never too tired or drained or busy to have a bycicle ride with them.
I am so much happier now than I ever was when living up to her demands.
However, she’s so dense that I don’t think she’s aware of the wonderful gift she has handed to me when she divorced me.
Of course, I’ll never take her back. Under any circumstance I’ll submit my life to her or any other woman for that matter.
You may ask what about the money? and I’ll answer *since when freedom ha a price*

NEVO

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At 5:28 PM, BR said…

Actually Tiny, it’s more that they passed the whole equality thing going the other way, decided it wasn’t enough (not to mention it’d actually involve giving up some things), and kept going.

Nice try though, the sarcasm is entertaining, but fails to obscure the fact that your underlying point is utter BS.

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At 9:14 AM, HAWKEYE said…

a womans high expectations and delusional opinions change dramatically if they find themselves still single at 30,
they will whore themselves to almost any man who can provide the basics of life for free
IE food and shelter

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At 9:37 AM, darkbhudda said…

It doesn’t matter how a male acts, what he says or thinks, he will piss off women. Their list of demands is contradictory, always has been, always will be.

Asperger’s syndrome if you look at the symptoms such as “The presence of restricted, repetitive and stereotyped behaviors and interests” seems to be standard female behaviour. The difference is “bitchy women syndrome” or “being a strong, independent woman” is encouraged by most HR departments and society at large.

@tiny tones
I agree with you, society needs to catch up on its inequalities.

All women’s sports will be eliminated, instead they will need to compete with males.

From now on, for every male that dies in a work related incident, 10 women will be killed horribly.

Women will be forced to work 90 hours a week.

Men will gain automatic custody of children, and women will be forced to pay child support on 200% of their income.

Men will be granted 5 years paternity leave, the cost of which will be taken out of women’s wages.

For every man in prison, a woman will be arrested.

Every woman that has lied about rape will be sent to a male prison.

Men will be given preferential placement in universities, jobs and government positions.

After divorce, the ex-husband may have sex with his wife at any time.

All military men will be discharged with full pay, and women drafted to take their places.

To make up for all the men who died in war, 10% of women from every city will be shot every year, until their numbers match the number of men who died.

Also, a lottery will be drawn. Women who win, will be shipped on a massive replica of the Titanic, it will be driven into an iceberg and the women forced to watch as the men escape on lifeboats.

I agree, we still have a long way to go, baby.

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At 11:42 AM, Captain Zarmband said…

And what exactly are women offering men? An extremely second-hand vagina, a fat arse and a self-centred me, me, me attitude. Modern women? No thanks.

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At 6:00 PM, Anonymous said…

Notice how many women have become petaholics now? Dog and cat ownership is epidemic amongst single, young women because they are trying to fill the vacuum created by the lack of a man and baby.

Indeed. No mention of a man or any children:

The Dog and Pony Show

Visitors to Stephanie Wallace’s Foxhall home are treated to a well-edited display of her life’s passion

For the past seven years, Stephanie Wallace has been turning her modest brick colonial off MacArthur Boulevard in the District into a stylish sanctuary that pays homage to her passions: horses, dogs and entertaining, which she tries to do two or three times a month, from formal sit-downs to casual potlucks.

Check out the picture of the center of her life.

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At 6:02 PM, mfsob said…

Exactly, Captain Zarmband – modern Western women are offering men … *sound of DEAFENING SILENCE*

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At 6:07 PM, Anonymous said…

soon they’ll start demanding society actually makes good on the whole ‘equality’ thing

Dingbat,

The Soviet Union, Cambodia, etc… were all about “equality” too. How well did they turn out? Your liberation and equality-at-gunpoint bullshit ALWAYS turns into a nightmare. The problem is you’re too fucking stupid, selfish, and self-absorbed to observe outside of your own pathetic little world that Western Civilization (built by men, dear) is going into the toilet.

Now, to make yourself feel better indulge in some of your trademark narcissistic retail therapy…

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At 6:20 PM, Anonymous said…

Yes indeedy, those women really do have it far too good these days. Christ on a bike – soon they’ll start demanding society actually makes good on the whole ‘equality’ thing rather than just pretending it’s already happened and then criticising them if they dare to ever question it.

Whenever I turn on the TV (which is less and less frequently these days) ALL I ever see is women whining about what victims they are. And there is NO ONE challenging them. It’s like some non-stop 24/7 estrogen love fest. The only place women are being challenged on their endless lies + stupidity is on the blogs.

What’s amazing too is from one side of their mouth they’ll be going on and on about what victims they are (the fact that their troubles are often brought on COMPLETELY through their own choices seems to be irrelevant), but on the other side of their mouths they’ll be saying how strong and independent they are (and have billions of dollars of subsidies and govt feminist enforcement bureaucracies to prove it).

Modern women. Truly insane, crazy children.

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At 6:26 PM, Anonymous said…

Also, a lottery will be drawn. Women who win, will be shipped on a massive replica of the Titanic, it will be driven into an iceberg and the women forced to watch as the men escape on lifeboats.

The feminists would probably like to see this dynamited:

Titanic Women’s Memorial, Washington D.C., U.S.A.

The inscription on the Titanic Women’s Memorial reads:

To The Brave Men
Who Perished
In The Wreck
of The Titanic,
April 15, 1912.
They Gave Their
Lives That Women
and Children
Might Be Saved.

Erected By
The Women
Of America.

The unveiling was performed by President Taft and his wife in 1931. People often assume that the memorial is to the women who perished on the Titanic, but if you read the inscription this makes it plain that it is to the men. Women in America raised the money and organized the building of the monument.

Picture

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At 9:49 AM, Tiny Tones said…

Yes, you’ve all got it real bad, haven’t you? If the world is so anti-white male, can you please explain to me why the vast, vast, majority of the world’s western countries, businesses and legal systems are run and operated by them?

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At 11:27 PM, unpleasant bitter git said…

Tiny Tones said… If the world is so anti-white male, can you please explain to me why the vast, vast, majority of the world’s western countries, businesses and legal systems are run and operated by them?

Could it be that white western males are the most intelligent, creative and motivated creatures on the earth?

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At 11:22 PM, Tiny Tones said…

Life’s too short. You lot need to take off your self-pity goggles, realise with gratitude how lucky you’ve actually got it and go out and enjoy yourselves. All this sitting around whinging because you haven’t got even more than you already have and feeling bitter cos you have to share some of your huge play lunch with someone else is the biggest misdirection of time and energy. What a waste.

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At 11:44 PM, Tiny Tones said…

I’m not saying that there aren’t some out-of-kilter laws and things happening. Some divorced dads, for instance, the ones who really want to be good parents, often have a really hard time of it and it’s not fair that they (and their kids) are paying the price for the mistakes of a lot of arsehole dads and mums in the past. But having just re-read some of the comments here i can’t feel too sympathetic in general. The selfishness, violence, materialism, greediness and lack of empathy expressed by a number of people in here is alarming at best, really frightening at worst. Excuse me for being forward, but some of you guys are a bit messed up. I suspect you know who you are.

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