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04 October 2006

Mothers lose right to equal salaries

Women who take time out of the workplace for maternity leave have no automatic right to the same pay as male colleagues who are doing the same job but have not had time off, Europe’s top court ruled yesterday.

The landmark ruling, described as the most important sex discrimination judgment for ten years, means that companies can legally pay some workers more for length of service even though a woman’s ability to compete on time served will be curtailed by her decision to have children.

The headline is incorrect; they haven’t lost their right to “equal pay”, they’ve lost their right to unequal pay, because if they choose – emphasise that, choose – to have kids and take a lot of time off, then they’re rightfully paid less. If they’re paid the same as male colleagues who actually stick around and do the work, then men are being paid unequally.

Amazing to see some sense from the European courts. It’ll probably be overturned though.

Leena Linnainmaa, the president of the European Women Lawyers’ Association, suggested that the situation would only become fairer for women when men took more paternity leave, something most did not do even though they had the right to in most European countries. “The fact that women take maternity leave is a great burden on their career,” she said.

“We strongly encourage men to take paternity leave and the countries that have no specific legislation on the right to paternity leave to amend their law.”

In other words, if they can’t force companies to pay women more than they deserve just because they choose to have long career breaks, then they insist us men compromise our own careers to bring us down to their level.

They don’t realise that most men don’t take paternity leave and such things because if we did, and reduce our own earnings, the wife would start whining that we’re not providing and probably divorce us and take our kids, not to mention everything else.

Sarah Harman, a leading family solicitor and founder of the pressure group, Families Action for Court Transparency and Openness, said: “To be penalised in terms of salary is a real pity. It seems to go against the run of really encouraging steps in the last 10 to 15 years, which have made women feel that they don’t have to put their children in nurseries and that they can regain the time lost. Length of service and experience are good things, but women who take time off can come back with renewed energy, new ideas, and a different set of skills.”

Erm…what? Any evidence for this? No, didn’t think so. Dumb bitch. Typical feminist twaddle, just make something up. “Experience doesn’t count for anything really, and women who’ve spent the last year changing nappies and watching Trisha can come back with wonderful ideas on how your company can be more productive. What do you mean you want proof? Stop oppressing me! Give me money!”

posted by Duncan Idaho @ 5:27 PM
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At 6:04 PM, Paul Parmenter said…

At last, the fresh wind of common sense blows through the courts. Who were these judges? Give them a pat on the back, they are doing a good job.

And my understanding is that the European Court of Justice is the supreme court, against which there is no further appeal. So you don’t have to worry about the decision being overturned Duncan; it can’t be.

This is why you are seeing these daft (or sinister) suggestions which are really just half-baked ideas aimed at getting round the ruling.

But of course these feminists are incorrigible; we can rely on them dreaming up yet more illogical reasons why women with five years job experience followed by five years out of work should be able to come back at the same pay level as men who have spent the full ten years doing the job. The satisfying thing is that their bogus arguments have been kicked into the long grass.

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At 6:17 PM, fetching jen said…

Women never put in as much time as men in the workplace, and should be paid accordingly. Feminists remind me of the gay-rights camp – always asking for MORE than the rest of us.

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At 6:46 PM, byrdeye said…

What’s next, telling men it’s “not fair” that women get pregnant instead of men?

Krist, we evolved role-specific dimorphic genders to increase task efficiency and quality. It’s what got us where we are today – the most dominant, intelligent species on the planet. So, who are you to unscientifically question millions of years of evolution with LIVING, PROVEN RESULTS???

Now, if you whiny feminist byches got a better idea – then feel free to GO OFF TO YOUR OWN LITTLE ISLAND WITHOUT MEN (your “problem” for everything) and DO IT!

See how far you get without us men “oppressing” you! 😀

My guess, you’ll end up 10X worse off than the free slave colony of Liberia! And thank god at least you won’t be reproducing! Come to think of it, that sounds like a GREAATTTT idea! DO IT!

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At 6:56 PM, Captain Zarmband said…

This is interesting stuff. The female lawyer bitch reckons that women return to work complete with new skills and therefore should get this time off as counting toward service. Well, if you follow that logic men should be able to count the years before they started work as counting towards their experience. Or what about if you leave work and go on walkabout in the Australian outback for three years, should that be counted too?

Only a stupid, female lawyer could come up with such idiotic nonsense. The only way you get experience in your career is to actually turn up and do some sodding work. Of course, this is probably a new concept for a woman.

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At 7:54 PM, byrdeye said…

“We strongly encourage men to take paternity leave and the countries that have no specific legislation on the right to paternity leave to amend their law.”

And why the hell would we want to help our arch enemy, feminists, who hate our guts out, again?

I really don’t think companies can afford to give BOTH fathers & mothers extended paid leaves of absences for pregnancies. And if only one gets the time off, naturally it should be the mom who should be breastfeeding her baby.

Paternity leave is a nice luxury that most men simply cannot afford to take!

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At 9:23 PM, Anonymous said…

Life is all about choices. Women, time for you to grow up and choose which one you want.

Full time on your family or full time on your career.

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At 9:28 PM, Anonymous said…

I’m going against the grain and siding with the feminists on this one (gasp).
Only on the proviso that should couples divorce or separate then the division of assets is 50/50 and not the 80% plus to the mother as on the last few cases i have come across. The basis being that their earning potential is limited whilst they (alone !!) bring up the children. Their earning potential will not be affected and the courts can stop screwing men. Surely if this was allowed the courts would not screw men…would they???

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At 10:08 PM, inkraven said…

Parental leave should work like this:

1) You go away for a while.
2) You do NOT get paid. Men don’t get job pay during involuntary leaves such as for National Guard service, so women shouldn’t be paid just for hatching a kid.
3) When maternity leave is up, you can have your old job back (or its lateral equivalent) at the same rate of pay as when you left.

I say parental leave in place of maternity leave because even though I am staunchly anti-feminist, I believe that an infant needs time to bond with both parents and vice versa. the world would be a much better place if both parents were closer to their kids.

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At 1:24 AM, mfsob said…

You can be a mother or a corporate bitch, but I have yet to meet a feminazi who can be both and be worth more than a bucket of warm spit.

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At 1:42 AM, Brazilian Bachelor said…

“They don’t realise that most men don’t take paternity leave and such things because if we did, and reduce our own earnings, the wife would start whining that we’re not providing and probably divorce us and take our kids, not to mention everything else.”

Exactly. And if we do take paternity leave, she will turn on the “endless bitching mode”, *this time* about lack of money.

Women: you just can NOT win.

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At 12:57 PM, voloohaar said…

“What do you mean you want proof? Stop oppressing me! Give me money!”

Muahahaha. Lines like this one make this blog stand out!

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At 3:07 PM, Thunderchild said…

A very common sense ruling – at last. Most organisations have formal incremental pay scales that reflect an employees length of service as part of their terms and conditions.

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At 5:11 PM, fetching jen said…

Living in kooky California, we have our share of liberal laws. And the wimpy men in this state LOVE paternity leave. Yikes, what kind of man takes paternity leave? Who is earning the living while he is changing diapers?

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At 5:50 PM, Anonymous said…

It never ceases to amaze me the arrogance that Feminists have. They really expect a life without negative consequences to decisions. What they really expect is a “Sugar Daddy” aka. Big Government to brace them from all of life’s hazards and disappointments.

But real life does not work that way. There are “Opportunity Costs” in life the cost of the next best alternatives to your decisions. Thats how life really works. They want to be insulated from hardships.

They want special privileges that no Nation can afford. Men have the following privileges. Death, Employment, Prison, being Homeless, Military Service. Men in the US are 94% of on the job fatalities. Yet Women still complain about how difficult their lives are.

Too bad. Reality sure sucks huh???
Khankrumthebulgar

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At 5:56 PM, Paul Parmenter said…

Anonymous 9.28

I can’t follow your logic here, if there is any. Are you a woman by any chance?

A woman’s earning potential is certainly limited while she brings up the kids, but the whole point of the decision is that employers are entitled to recognise that, which seems eminently fair and correct to me. Like so many here have pointed out, it’s down to individual choices.

And why do you say that the mother brings up the children alone? Doesn’t the father’s contribution count? Or are you talking about single mothers, huge swathes of whom are in that state by their own choice? Either way, it is an unworthy and irrelevant comment.

“Their earning potential will not be affected and the courts can stop screwing men. Surely if this was allowed the courts would not screw men…would they???”

Divorce should have nothing to do with a woman’s earning potential with an employer. How can it? And what of those women who don’t actually divorce? What are you trying to say?

As for the courts stopping screwing men, I take it you were born yesterday. It would take a nuclear bomb to shift some of those misandrist toads sitting on benches out of their prejudices.

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At 6:57 PM, pete said…

Living in kooky California, we have our share of liberal laws. And the wimpy men in this state LOVE paternity leave. Yikes, what kind of man takes paternity leave? Who is earning the living while he is changing diapers?

So a man is a wimp and a fag for wanting to spend more time with family – he is not earning his keep by not bringing home the bacon and being in touch with his softer side. I guess you don’t want the husband there at all, “just leave your wallet behind honey.” Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

Who is earning the living? How about the empowered bitch who’s been sucking at the teat of big government and men her whole life while giving all the credit to fellow women and feminism?

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At 8:07 PM, Anonymous said…

fetching jen said…
Women never put in as much time as men in the workplace, and should be paid accordingly. Feminists remind me of the gay-rights camp – always asking for MORE than the rest of us.’

As a woman with no kids, I’m sick of having to pick up the slack for women with children. I work harder than they do but I don’t get any benefits or extra pay. And as I don’t plan to have kids, why can’t I have a year off with money coming in?

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