28 January 2007
There’s some new film out called Blood Diamond. Whilst I wouldn’t bother going to see it – most movies are shit these days, plus it stars Leonard Di-bloody-Caprio – it does seem fairly interesting in a way.
It concerns the diamond trade in Sierra Leone, a turbulent African country torn apart by civil war. This film addresses the many allegations that conflict and atrocities in the country are partly related and indeed caused by the lucrative diamond trade, with diamond merchants and large companies like De Beers indifferent to the suffering of many civilians caught up in the battle over the precious stones. There has been talk of a reduced demand for diamonds in the light of this film, and it certainly offers a get-out clause if a girlfriend starts pestering you for a diamond ring, whether it’s for an engagement or just because she thinks she deserves it for having tits that she lets you touch occasionally. Just point out how buying diamonds helps fuel conflict and suffering in Africa, and as such you could not possibly buy one as it would mean you would have the blood of children on your hands.
Of course, your girlfriend will probably go nuts anyway. Women like to think they’re more ethical than us men, but in fact they’re damn well not. It’s like the way we’re often told how awful it is that many cheap clothes and goods imported to the West are made by women and girls in atrocious sweat-shops in the East. Not only does this stance annoyingly imply that it would be no big deal if it were predominantly men and boys, but it also forgets that it is mostly for women’s benefit anyway. They’re the ones who want endless shoes, handbags and designer gear. There are few women who bang on about ethics and fair trade who would be actually willing to put their ideals into practice if it meant their wardrobe would suffer.
If a girlfriend is pestering you for a diamond, ideally you should just tell her to sod off and buy her own, or maybe agree but only if she buys you a Rolex or a Harley Davidson. But if this is impractical – for example, if she’s asked you for a diamond in front of her parents at a dinner party – just talk of the atrocious conflict surrounding the greedy diamond trade and thus (a) get out of having to fork out a load of cash for a stupid bit of carbon and (b) look like a really nice and compassionate fella.
posted by Duncan Idaho @ 12:45 PM
At 5:38 PM, Lisa said…
Absolutely! The diamond craze is ridiculous. When my husband and I were picking out wedding bands a young woman and her mother approached one of the sales assistants. The young woman announced she was there to look at engagement rings and didn’t want to see anything under $9,000! It is tacky enough to suggest or demand a man buy you a diamond. It is even worse to pick out the one you want and send the chap after it with his credit card. Alarm bells. Alarm bells.
There is a commercial on in the States where a man and his fiance’ go together to pick out an engagement ring. His credit card gets rejected. He mouths “I’m sorry” to her and they both look disappointed. The gist of the commercial is that there is a better credit card out there that won’t let you down when it comes to life’s precious moments. Makes me want to throw up. My first thought is that the original credit card that rejected the astronomical purchase was doing him a big favor.
At 6:40 PM, Anonymous said…
I knew about the blood diamond trade since ’00. Had a girl at that time, I told her about this and how bad it was, she agreed that it was bad. She even told me that she will not be asking me for a diamond engagement ring. We broke up in ’01 over my “not being sensitive to her needs”, needless to say she promptly got married six months afterwards to some dude. Don’t bother me too much, except for that big shiny carbon bits on her finger. I talked to her once about that, and she pretty much mumbled something about “symbol of love” or some such nonsense.
Damn, I dodged the bullet. I guess she’s another one easily amused by sparkling bits of stuff. Other than that, I refuse to date/talk to a woman who would demand a “rock” or like to get decked out with sparkly bits of mineral. Seems to me that the bower bird females and human females suffer from such affliction.
The Monkey King
At 7:01 PM, Pete Patriarch said…
Diamonds really are a con job. I wrote about them here. Needless to say, I don’t think too highly of those females who act this consumeristic.
I’d rather put the money towards a down payment, but hey, maybe I’ll buy a bike instead! Anything other than giving an entitlement princess what she wants.
At 7:23 PM, Anonymous said…
We can grow 3 carat synthetics diamonds for a few hundred dollars. DeBeer’s techs can’t tell the difference and neither can the average woman.
I am sure that an enterprising jewelry store owner who sees the writing on the wall might be persuaded to put on a $12,000 show for a $800 object in case you are dumb enough to a: get married and b) go along with the diamond ring nonsense. With the store in on the gag she can get her ring resized if necessary.
Dark Wing Duck
At 7:51 PM, The Phantom said…
There are alternatives to ‘natural’ diamonds now, which are sold at a fraction of the cost of a ‘real’ diamond.
These alternatives are in fact identical to the ‘real’ thing. There is no way to tell them apart. De beers now marks it’s diamonds so separate them from ‘fake’ diamonds. The idea of a real diamond is nothing more than a marketing scam.
At 9:21 PM, sira said…
If you take your girlfriend to see this and she still wants a diamond, then you break up with her on the spot and tell the story to every new girl you meet and you are interested in. You will get so much pity sex for having been with such a monster, it’ll make your head explode. You could probably even punch her in the stomach and include that part in your story and still be the good guy.
PETA be damned- I’ll wear fur, crocodile, the babiest of the baby seals and leather (all in the same outfit, try me lol)but after seeing that movie, I could never, ever wear a diamond.
At 9:25 PM, Mr. Misogynist said…
Interesting post, Lisa, but why are you here?
At 10:45 PM, Mark said…
“The idea of a real diamond is nothing more than a marketing scam.”
The idea of a diamonds being very valuable at all is a scam. See…
‘Have You Ever Tried to Sell a Diamond?’
Note that the Atlantic article was written before the advent of eBay. Nowadays you might well be able to sell a diamond to some sucker, but that does not means that the market is not still a giant bubble. The art then is to make sure you’re seated – sans worthless rocks – when the music stops.
At 11:03 PM, mrs. misogynist said…
Are you going around on blogs hating on females again? I thought I told you to take out the trash you useless piece of shit!!!!
At 12:43 AM, Lisa said…
Mr. Misogynist, I really am interested in many of the things Duncan finds to post about. My husband and I discuss what I read here (and on Outcast & Pete’s sites) all of the time. It helps our marriage and shows us how much we should appreciate what we have. You suggested in a previous post that I don’t really care about men, I’m just worried about the well drying up. A dry well makes little difference to me since I’m married and intend to stay that way. I do see the imbalances men face and it concerns me for the future. I have an infant daughter. I may eventually have a son. I want my children to have a family lifestyle like mine. With the current trend, I’m not sure the odds are good at this point.
The messages encouraging this crap behavior are everywhere, Mr. Misogynist. Commercials, movies, television shows…they all make the materialistic, moody, shopaholic woman who can’t (or doesn’t want to) keep house seem funny, cute, ideal or normal. I don’t identify with that woman and I don’t want my daughter to. If I have a son, I don’t want him subjected to this kind of garbage. Women do need to start standing up and saying enough because it will only get worse. You said previously that ALL women are either directly participating in the scam that is feminism or sitting on the sidelines laughing at the mental and financial assault on men. Not true, not true.
I think I’ve been pretty consistent in my participation here. I’ve not been dramatic or nasty. The worst I’ve done is challenge those who want to label EVERY woman as one way, or those who paint a picture where women are always evil and men are always saints. I’m not a believer in absolutes and I think perspectives shared in absolutes often sacrifice credibility. Actually, many women argue in absolutes (you always this or you never that) and it drives me insane.
At 2:37 AM, Anonymous said…
Good for you, Lisa.
To make myself clear, I a few weeks ago wrote something on dontgetmarried.com that I am convinced that ALL north american women are clinically insane. Those who seem sane only seem so because most men have no comparison basis.
The problem, though on the surface you seem rational and all that, is what happens to your husband if you change your mind? He gets wiped out the same as a man married to an obvious nut.
The only way a man can tell a sane NA woman is to marry her, using all his wits to try to eliminate the worst, and if he is still married 40 years later, she was sane. That really isn’t a good system, and thus the large number of men who have said they will simply not take the chance.
If you really care about future son(s), train him from birth to look at the whole world as a good place to live, so when he reaches marrying age if this mess isn’t fixed, he can leave the US.
Note that I am not in the US now. I come back when I need to for family reasons, but that’s all. I meet men from Europe and US and Canada who come here, and meet truly sane women, and somehow they never go back where they came from.
For the usual scum who come here to bash men, and tell us we just can’t get laid, I have been married for 31.5 years — to a Mexican woman, and am in her native village.
Anonymous age 64
At 3:39 AM, Anonymous said…
Re: Blood Diamonds
This movie is a scam. The international diamond cartel (e.g., DeBeers) keeps a tight rein on supply. Central African diamonds flooding the market threaten that. This is about money. Not morals.
At 4:19 AM, Anonymous said…
Diamonds are for drill bits–not for shrill bitches!
At 7:22 AM, Christian J said…
“I think I’ve been pretty consistent in my participation here. I’ve not been dramatic or nasty. The worst I’ve done is challenge those who want to label EVERY woman as one way, or those who paint a picture where women are always evil and men are always saints.”
Welcome aboard Lisa, refreshing to read a female’s comments that does not include male-bashing, although…
At 8:40 AM, Stick said…
“Just point out how buying diamonds helps fuel conflict and suffering in Africa, and as such you could not possibly buy one as it would mean you would have the blood of children on your hands.”
My girlfriend wouldn’t believe me if I said that. I’ve just joined the army (a final physical to go) so I can go and cause conflict and suffering.
She’s not into the diamond bullshit, anyway.
(And I already own a Harley).
At 9:58 AM, Anonymous said…
Diamonds are useless. It is just carbon. At 1000 degrees Celsius ist burns. All the money is gone.
They are good for cutting and mining, though.
My girlfriend shall get a new kitchen, not a diamond.
At 12:18 PM, FredXblog said…
Women like to think they’re more ethical than us men, but in fact they’re damn well not. It’s like the way we’re often told how awful it is that many cheap clothes and goods imported to the West are made by women and girls in atrocious sweat-shops in the East. Not only does this stance annoyingly imply that it would be no big deal if it were predominantly men and boys, but it also forgets that it is mostly for women’s benefit anyway.
Well said Duncan
The double standards, in every area of life, is sickening isn’t it
Women are generally more shallow, materialistic and selfish than men
They don’t care what animal has been tortured- as long as they get that new perfume or fake tan
And they certainly don’t give a shit about the history of diamonds- after all, they just look so pretty don’t they
I could just squuueeaaaal in delight
At 2:57 PM, am i a bodyfascist? said…
btw, the diamonds trade is linked to the arms trade, which goes hand in glove with drugs trafficking, which is at least partly funding cia, taliban and other nice folks (to name just these 2) … but hey, no atrocity too ugly for not to be endorsed in the name of LOVE …
At 3:17 PM, Anonymous said…
Actually, many women argue in absolutes (you always this or you never that) and it drives me insane.
How about an 80% chance a given view is true?
For example, you don’t have to say that every airliner crashes, but an 80% chance (or even 50% chance) of the plane crashing would dissuade you from ever flying, right?
BTW, I applaud you on your happy marriage, but you (as the woman) are not the one at risk of financial destruction and being prevented from ever seeing your children again.
At 3:49 PM, diemond said…
There is no market for used rocks, on eBay or not.
They’re typically sold retail at 2X-4X wholesale value and if you want to sell it, you’ll probably have to pawn it for 1/5 the buying price.
CZ is actually better anyways cuz it’s sparklier and cheaper…if you “must” have some bling.
At 3:53 PM, Masculist Man said…
Mrs. Misogynist isn’t the hooker you were talking about fixing the coach,the football team and the mascot up with,is she?
At 4:30 PM, ChicagoMan said…
I agree here.
Diamonds are just a form of elemental carbon compressed in such a compact state from very high temperatures and pressures that the crystalline form is very hard.
Real diamonds have impurities in them, whether it be non-compressed carbon chips or bits of other minerals.
Your woman wants a flawless diamond, buy her a lab created one.
It is EXACTLY the same thing. Carbon forced under pressure and heat in the lab.
The quality of lab created ones is better than natural ones.
Personally I don’t see why we even mine diamonds anymore. Carbon is one of the most abundant elements after H and He.
If someone figured out how to make gold in the lab cheaply I sure as hell would bet that we would stop mining it.
Why natural diamonds? Well De Beers wants to make money off all the suckers.
At 4:57 PM, Barry said…
Lisa, if you are genuine then it is heartening to read your comments. It always seemed far fetched to think that every women in the west has somehow degenerated into a selfish individual with little regard for anyone but herself. Yet so many men appear to have reached such conclusions that I have begun to wonder. Perhaps you, and any like minded souls of your sex, ought to make your voices heard in the hope that you can educate the more ignorant members of your sex. Who knows, some of them may yet return to membership of the human race.
At 6:08 PM, Outcast Superstar said…
It looks like less and less women will have diamonds bought for them and the marriage strike is working.
I just finished a long and explosive rant on my blog called “A Crying Fest on the Oprah Show!”
Basically Oprah had women over 30 on her show who had a hard time finding dates, boy did I ever go off on an explosive rant.
At 6:29 PM, Mr. Misogynist said…
Fair enough, Lisa. You can understand the reservations men have with women who claim to be on our side. I have yet to meet a woman personally that I would trust as far as I could throw, and considering the number of obese women in the U.S., that’s not very far. Sorry for lashing out at you.
At 8:17 PM, Javier said…
If a girlfriend is pestering you for a diamond, ideally you should just tell her to sod off and buy her own, or maybe agree but only if she buys you a Rolex or a Harley Davidson.
But, you better damn make sure she doesn’t have access to your bank or credit card accounts, or you know who will be REALLY paying for it.
At 8:37 PM, Anonymous said…
Well put. The entire time I was in the theater, I was like, ‘Jesus H. Christ, man, do I know some suckers in my life.’ It’s called a ‘diamond cartel’ for a reason. Wretched stuff. Oooh, look, it’s a shiny thing! We’ll make it worth more, even though it has no value beyond being pretty and fairly indestructible.
When was the last time you saw a diamond car? Fuck, I’m putting my money in steel and other material that builds shit.
All that said, the movie is not nearly as bad as it should be. Yeah, it’s a bit long, but Leo…damn, he kicks ass, actually. And it’s a decent action movie with some likable, conflicted, believable characters. And it definitely makes you vomit at the whole idea of the diamond industry, and at the same time, feel good that you won’t be buying a rock for anyone anytime soon.
At 4:51 AM, Anonymous said…
Women know diamonds are worthless.
They’re not stupid ya know.
In fact they are very clever. Like a fox. Sly, opportunistic, DECEITFUL, prefer to act under cover (like a fox in the night). You can see it, no explanation is necessary, its called make-up.
Like a fox, they often have a beautiful facade. Very alluring. Very potent to the average male who goes thru life SLEEPING or at the very least DREAMING.
The reason why women quiver with glee upon the presentation of a universally recognised worthless stone, is because it VALIDATES her FRAGILE EGO. You see, if she can get a man to work (the harder the better) for something essentially worthless because SHE WANTS it, it validates her POWER OVER MEN. A power asserted by mere influence, without any physical coercion. Its like a container load of smack to a junkie.
Men, wake up, stop feeding addicts.
Have the courage to FREE YOURSELVES.
If you are ever faced with this type of woman in your life, there is only one response… LAUGHTER, the haughty, chesty, all-knowing, l’m onto you type of retort that renders words redundant. If she persists, just larf some more and harder. Eventually, she’ll prolly go away. No effort on your part.
At 11:05 AM, Masculist Man said…
Do you go to women’s sites and cuss them out too or just here by telling us to curb how we feel about women by pulling the “not all women are like that” crap?