Working girl


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11 February 2007

At my workplace, a large and terribly unexciting bank, a vacancy arose reasonably high up on the career ladder. Naturally yours truly didn’t bother applying despite being invited to do so. I’m not working longer hours and taking on more responsibility just so I can pay more taxes. Fuck that.

Two people, male and female, did apply, in addition to outside candidates. The woman – aged 25, outrageous entitlement princess, constantly goes on about how much better women are than men, thinks she’s brilliant because, like nearly every other woman in the office, she has worthless soft-degree – is in my department. She applied early and was really pissed off that this other guy applied.

She took it really personally, and I heard her saying she was sure he had only applied “to spite me.” For fucks sake he doesn’t even know her, he works on the other side of the building. She was convinced that she deserved the job more because the guy is only 23.

I know the guy a little bit, I usually encounter him in the lift. He’s a decent bloke and very confident for his age.

He went for his interview first. I saw him not long afterwards and asked him how it went. He was quite cool, saying he thought it went well but figured that his lack of experience might count against him.

Then the woman went for her interview. As soon as it was over she went to the ladies for half-a-fucking-hour, and several other women were popping in to check on her. Turned out she felt the interview went badly and she was blubbering in there. This was all on work time by the way. Bear in mind this isn’t the first time she’s gone of bawling because of some shit like this or work pressure, and bear in mind she’s often harping on about how women are so great and that’s why they are beginning to dominate workplaces.

Soon she’s back at her desk and starts trying to act confident but later tells one of the other women that she’s still pissed off at the guy for going for the job. When I left at the end of the day she was crying in a corridor and being comforted by one of the receptionists. “They asked me so many questions,” I heard her snivel. Erm…yeah, that tends to happen in interviews.

The next day she found out the guy who’d gone for the job was looking quite cool and confident after his interview and she spent half the morning (once again, on worktime) doing nothing but stand at the photocopier bitching about him, once again her sole complaint being that he dared go for the same vacancy that she wanted.

Anyway, it turned out neither of them got the job, it was given to an outside candidate. The guy wasn’t all that bothered when I spoke to him after he found out. He was disappointed but pretty much shrugged it off and said he’d go for a similar position, either in this company or another, after he’d gotten another couple of years experience under his belt.

As for the woman?

She was soon crying in the toilets again like a typical strong independent womyn, being comforted by a precession of other strong independent womyn. On work time, naturally.

Ah, the joys of mixed-sex workplaces.

I wish I worked as a lighthouse keeper sometimes.

posted by Duncan Idaho @ 7:41 PM
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At 9:02 PM, Anonymous said…

Thank you for reminding me why I quit my office job to be an aircraft mechanic. There are approximately ZERO women I have to deal with in maintenance. Aaah, all that grease, oil, jet fuel and avgas does keep those strong independent types far away.

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At 9:16 PM, So and So said…

Why do you continue to generalize the actions of one person onto all people who share the same reproductive organs and culture (Western) as that person? If you were actually logical like you claim to be, you wouldn’t be doing that. Do YOU have a hard science degree? If not, you are just as under educated as them. And yes, I DO have a hard science degree. And yes, I AM female. So obviously, all of your arguments about females are completely wrong. Have a nice day.

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At 9:16 PM, Anonymous said…

I’ve seen the same thing happen in my workplace, more than once. Pathetic.

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At 9:18 PM, So and So said…

Whoops. If I posted that comment twice, I do apologize. Watch this blogger now say that I couldn’t possibly be an engineer simply because I accidentally posted that twice. I’m sure he NEVER makes any mistakes.

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At 9:55 PM, Anonymous said…

“constantly goes on about how much better women are than men”

Oh dear.

I cant stand women like that.

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At 11:21 PM, ColdHammer said…

Duncan, it sounds like you live in the ‘Desperate Housewives’ version of real world bank building drama. The stars are the princesses and unknown, unwillingly men who just happen to be there.

I think it was a great idea you passed on the job for not only do you have to pay more taxes, commit more work hours fixing wimmin’s problems via management, but that witch would have gobbled you up by throwing insults and EVEN still have the audacity that you committed sexual harassment against her. How sad it is that in this world we live in.

Just watch and mark my words she’ll never get over it. More likely she will:

a) get married/pregnant and have a sucker to pay for her luxurious lifestyle
b) keep bitching about it and get fat and eventually die alone
c) actually do something with an attempt to go to grad school to ‘make up for it’

Of course, all 3 options will result in a negative life experience which in opinion = hell on earth. Ooh, wait until life in hell really begins! Haha!

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At 1:49 AM, mfsob said…

You think it’s bad in the private sector (which it is when it comes to bowing and scraping before the all might vagina) – try the public sector!

So and So is a PERFECT example of the type of personality tha finds its way into these make work and generally unnecessary jobs, I’m sorry, I mean “careers,” and once they get there, you can never, ever, get them out no matter how bad they screw up or screw off.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr …

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At 2:15 AM, Anonymous said…

At my mechanic, there is one woman working with 8 guys. She answers the phone and handles customers; they fix the cars.

When I asked what it was like working with all men, she said she wouldn’t have it any other way, that women usually don’t want to work so they add lots of drama to every thing that comes up.

I quit a good sales job a few years ago because the women wouldn’t shut up. I was earning good money, but the constant nagging or complaining made every day just annoying as hell.

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At 2:41 AM, Anonymous said…

Fortunately for the rest of us, so-and-so reveals herself to be the oracle of reason by her very own writings. Take for example this fascinating intellectual tour de force:

I understand men….

Over the years I’ve noticed something. I understand men better than any other woman I’ve met. It has been suggested that I write a book. Well this blog is enough. So are you wondering if some guy likes you? Get my advice. I know. That’s why I always have a boyfriend. That’s why all my boyfriends all want to marry me. I understand them. I always get those “What do men say?” quizzes right. I know what men want. I know where to find them. My answers are to the point. My sister was having problems with men, I listened to her stories. Then told her that her problem was she was fishing in the wrong pond. So she started hanging out with people from her work more often then those stupid people she had previously been hanging out with. Works! Anyways, why does he do that? I know. Hehe, I always get the guy to say “I love you” first in the relationship. It never fails! Oh, yeah then there was my one boyfriend who told me he wanted to marry me after our 3rd conversation, which was during our first date. What guys really want is someone who understands them and like them anyways. Being an analytical person also helps. They find this surprising in a woman, so it fascinates them. But this means being a realist, I know why my current boyfriend is with me and exactly why he wants to marry me. I have made peace with it, if I couldn’t handle it, then I’d break up with him (I’m a very experienced breaker-uper). Anyways, don’t waste your time with ivillage.com and Cosmo, I got the scoop on men.

And people wonder why work is being outsourced by the boatload these days.

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At 3:08 AM, arnold ziffel said…

I strongly disagree with so and so 9:16 that a person has to have a degree in a hard science to be considered educated. Some of the most intellectually blinkered people I know majored in hard science and technical subjects. Their knowledge is ten feet deep and one inch wide.

And yes, I understand that the plural of anecdote is not evidence. I’m merely speaking from personal experience.

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At 3:32 AM, Anonymous said…

so and so:

I don’t see where he generalized anything. The post was strictly anecdotal.

As an aside, you seem a little emotional today. Everything OK? Oh wait I forgot I don’t care.

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At 4:48 AM, Christian J said…

Life is so much more difficult for the privilege princesses of this world. They automatically assume that possessing a vagina ensures them their promotions and if that entitlement does not surface they are thunderstruck.
How can it be that they are not running every country and corporation.

It’s just unexplainable…really.

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At 6:03 AM, Anonymous said…

I wonder if my boss would let me go cry in the bathroom for an hour. Especially if I do it after he asks me a lot of question.

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At 9:10 AM, Captain Zarmband said…

So and So wrote:

“Why do you continue to generalize the actions of one person onto all people who share the same reproductive organs and culture (Western) as that person? If you were actually logical like you claim to be, you wouldn’t be doing that. Do YOU have a hard science degree? If not, you are just as under educated as them. And yes, I DO have a hard science degree. And yes, I AM female. So obviously, all of your arguments about females are completely wrong. Have a nice day.”

I think you’ve just made the Eternal Bachelor’s point for him. The trends that he points out are trends that most men recognise in females i.e. the emotional outburst to a problem requiring logic. Outbursts that you seem to engage in, although you do not recognise it in yourself. An example of another female trait….the complete inability to accept criticism without throwing a hissy fit.

The point the Eternal Bachelor is making is that on one hand women insist they are capable workers but on the other constantly resort to mind games and histrionics to get their own way. The problem is that most females are so used to using these tactics that they do not know they’re doing it. This does not make it any less annoying.

No doubt you’ll post a personal attack on me for pointing this out and you may claim that it’s not true. The problem for you is that every man reading this is nodding his head in agreement. Another predictable response is for a woman to post a comment disagreeing with me and post it under a man’s name claiming to be male.

These tactics have outlived their shelf life and are now worthless as men see through the deceit and no longer care. Therefore these tactics are ineffective. Men like me and the Eternal Bachelor shall continue with our work and no amount of shaming language will stop us.

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At 10:05 AM, Field Marshall Watkins said…

This is hardly rare. I’ve always noticed this Everywhere I’ve worked I’ve seen it at least once.
Women who can’t keep their shit together should be sacked. Work requires a level of professionalism and productivity that running off to the toilets (along with half the women in the office) at the first sign of pressure or stress is not.

If a woman wants to work, she better be prepared to make sacrifices, like men do. That includes keeping your emotions on lock down in order to get the job done.

Tough independent women my arse. Obviously, kudos to the women who can handle pressure. Anyway, I’m self employed now so fuck em lol.

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At 10:57 AM, feminist_scum said…

LMAO, that’s some hilarious shit that. man.

You should have gave her a piece of your mind. :p

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At 11:32 AM, Schpengle Carrot-Tripe said…

so and so.
shut up you whining cunt.
and I can say that since I too have a hard engineering degree, oh and several other hard core things too.
big bloody deal, you smarmy, condescending twat.

oh hang on ,maybe it was

The time of the month

ah!

at last!

evidence for what we all knew.

heee hee, what pertinent word verification I just got!!

“yeuphuuc”

exactly!

now, so and so, why dont yeuphuuc yourself in the bushes somewhere?

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At 1:41 PM, Brazilian Bachelor said…

It’s hilarious.

I can’t keep myself from getting amused by how women claim themselves strong yet pull stuff like this.

Really, they do NOT care if what they SAY has any place in reality. It’s awesome!

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At 3:32 PM, byrdeye said…

Whoops. If I posted that comment twice, I do apologize. Watch this blogger now say that I couldn’t possibly be an engineer simply because I accidentally posted that twice. I’m sure he NEVER makes any mistakes.

Lol, *rimshot*

Q: How can you tell if a woman helped engineer a car?
A: It’s in the shop.

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At 3:37 PM, Jerkmenistan said…

One more thing. I noticed that So-and-So never addressed the subject of Duncan’s post. Does she have anything to say about the woman’s behavior as described? Does she approve of such behavior, or does she share Duncan’s perspective that such behavior is inappropriate.

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At 3:43 PM, The Man On The Street said…

so-and-so,

For someone who claims the following:

“Over the years I’ve noticed something. I understand men better than any other woman I’ve met. It has been suggested that I write a book. Well this blog is enough. So are you wondering if some guy likes you? Get my advice. I know. That’s why I always have a boyfriend. That’s why all my boyfriends all want to marry me. I understand them. I always get those “What do men say?” quizzes right. I know what men want. I know where to find them. My answers are to the point. My sister was having problems with men, I listened to her stories. Then told her that her problem was she was fishing in the wrong pond. So she started hanging out with people from her work more often then those stupid people she had previously been hanging out with. Works! Anyways, why does he do that? I know. Hehe, I always get the guy to say “I love you” first in the relationship. It never fails! Oh, yeah then there was my one boyfriend who told me he wanted to marry me after our 3rd conversation, which was during our first date. What guys really want is someone who understands them and like them anyways. Being an analytical person also helps. They find this surprising in a woman, so it fascinates them. But this means being a realist, I know why my current boyfriend is with me and exactly why he wants to marry me. I have made peace with it, if I couldn’t handle it, then I’d break up with him (I’m a very experienced breaker-uper). Anyways, don’t waste your time with ivillage.com and Cosmo, I got the scoop on men.”

You don’t know jack!

TMOTS

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At 4:45 PM, ChicagoMan said…

Well, this just solidifies what we all have been saying for quite some time,women never mentally mature past the age of 13.

ALL the women I know, even the one’s that aren’t feminists all act in some way like this.

They can’t handle a little pressure, they gossip like crazy at work, whine at EVERYTHING, and at the same time exclaim how much better women are.

No thank you, this is why I don’t leave anything important up to them. They also have no concept of teamwork.

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At 5:00 PM, Anonymous said…

ok, so maybe it is a generalization so so. however, everywhere I have worked women socialize, gossip, and bad mouth each other way more than men. very very annoying. I swear you bitches are either crying on each other’s shoulders or playing out hamlet and back stabbing each other. god save the queen.

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At 7:06 PM, Lisa said…

So and so, I’m not sure what happens in the scientific world, but in the business environments I’ve been in it was not an uncommon occurrence for other women to congregate in the bathroom for boo-hoo fests. It used to drive me nuts. I like to pee in private. Though I’ve never been in the little boys room to say for sure it doesn’t happen there, I rarely witnessed more than one man going to the bathroom at any given time. I’m guessing the magazine or newspaper they were carrying was fair warning a group session wasn’t advisable. With the women I worked with it also wasn’t uncommon for extra drama to be added to any given circumstance b/c of hurt feelings or something that ‘supposedly’ wasn’t fair. I managed a staff for 10 years. More often than not, the women were giving me headaches and killing our productivity with unnecessary drama and such. I agree not every woman behaves this way. But it happens enough that strong and educated women, such as yourself, should be disgusted with them for giving the rest of the gender a bad name. Put your energy towards shaking your finger at them since they are doing you more collective harm than any generalizations you may feel EB makes.

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At 7:28 PM, Anonymous said…

You should have applied.

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At 7:35 PM, Peregrine John said…

No, lisa, most guys are entirely silent in the loo, beyond a “Hey, how’s it goin?” sort of maximum. We go there to put things we don’t want elsewhere (pee, for example) and see little point hanging about where it lingers in the atmosphere. You apparently are of like mind!

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At 8:19 PM, feminist_scum said…

Fantastic post, Lisa! Wonderful stuff. You should really open up your own blog.

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At 10:43 PM, ChicagoMan said…

Lisa, the scientific world is no different at all.

I have been in this field for a while now and we have plenty of our own entitlement princesses.

The thing that’s worse about this field is that the lack of ethics can actually endanger the lives of innocent patients, but the women care more about their careers than the lives of other people.

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At 11:06 PM, phoenix said…

That’s the biggest reason why work sucks now, women creating all this ridiculous drama and bitching and whining all day. It affects us men too obviously, being a constant target or seeing women not working makes us not want to work either. Men will work hard but men are not stupid, when we see someone make more than us, or even if it’s slightly less than us, for doing no work, we start not wanting to do any either. Of course, we will usually get fired for that, and we’re not even allowed to defend ourselves from women’s accusations. That’s why we’re losing positions in the work place and schooling, and why the economy is bad. Men are forced out, and without men, businesses generally are not nearly as productive, and if they’re not productive, they can’t afford employees, and hence, people are unemployed.

I went back to school to get away from women, but if I knew how to, I would have just become a plumber or mechanic or something. Actual trade skills.

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At 2:25 AM, Lisa said…

Peregrine John, I am right there with you about not lingering in the loo. Yuck. What’s really gross is the number of women you actually catch talking on the phone in there. Yuck. Never borrow a woman’s cell phone. Seriously.

Feminist_Scum, I have a blog b/c I love to write. It was actually a birthday gift from my husband last year. Is that cool or what? It’s about random stuff though. Lot’s of general thoughts about the environment, spending money wisely, being a mom, being a twin. Stuff like that. Probably bore you to tears. I haven’t linked it up here b/c it has pictures of me and my daughter and I often reference the metropolitan area I live in. Probably not wise to share that kind of info here since my remarks might make some mad. I applaud those of you who maintain blogs of this depth. The subject matter requires a lot of research and time. I’m not sure I could do it justice. I’m glad I’m able to participate through comments though.

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At 3:19 AM, Anonymous said…

Heh! According to so-and-so’s blog, she is still in school as a graduate student. No doubt that the limit of her real world experience has been some part time menial jobs at McDonalds or Wal-Mart.

How much does anyone want to bet that she is going to take her piece of paper, fast-food experience, and independent attitude and step right into a management position?

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At 11:38 PM, So and So said…

All I asked was why this person keeps making generalizations.
No, I’ve never worked at Mcdonalds. Before going back to grad school I worked at Honda and Volvo Parts, and no I didn’t answer the phone. You guys are making fun of me because I want to obtain a PhD. And its not a personal attack to point out to someone that they are persisting in a logical misstep. And yes I do know what men want, they want a blowjob, a dinner and to be left alone.
All three of those things I provide very well.

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At 7:18 AM, Anonymous said…

How many more shoes could she possibly need? Why couldn’t she aspire to more meaningful, womanly things- like helping her lifelong husband raise a dozen decent, proud Brits?

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At 6:09 PM, Anonymous said…

men should start crying in front of women at the office. do you know how much that would freak them out?
how would they deal with that?

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At 3:37 AM, Lisa said…

All I asked was why this person keeps making generalizations.
No, I’ve never worked at Mcdonalds. Before going back to grad school I worked at Honda and Volvo Parts, and no I didn’t answer the phone. You guys are making fun of me because I want to obtain a PhD. And its not a personal attack to point out to someone that they are persisting in a logical misstep. And yes I do know what men want, they want a blowjob, a dinner and to be left alone. All three of those things I provide very well.

So and so, if you truly believe you are being made fun of b/c you want to obtain your Ph.D., your deductive reasoning isn’t very strong.

By the way, if you’ve spent any time here at all, you would know bragging about all of the experience you’ve had with wanker lollipops isn’t putting you up on a pedestal. Men may say they want to marry you. Don’t pat yourself on the back too much until you’ve sealed the deal. More and more men are deciding they don’t want to “kiss the bride” with a woman whose mouth has seen more action than a pub’s urinal.

I really hate it when women come here and ignore or play dumb on the real issues being discussed. Are there generalizations here? Yes. Women have provided the fuel for these generalizations though. I also hate it when women come here and present themselves (proudly) as moody menstruators or well practiced penis handlers. It is a disservice to my gender and I don’t appreciate it one bit.

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At 11:18 AM, Misogynic_Gent said…

I wasn’t going to say anything but your second post changed my mind, so and so.

Why do you continue to generalize the actions of one person onto all people who share the same reproductive organs and culture (Western) as that person?

Get it through your presumptive head that these observations and testimonies apply to whomever applicable. You and like-minded fems should stop extrapolating testimonies and observations to infer anything other than what’s stated. Your question is inane since it’s based on unsupported assumptions.

One reason the author is so biased is that he intends to help balance the imbalanced, one-sided vilification of men by reporting the deeds of wicked or incompetent women. It’s our position that an imbalance exists, so the bias here at Eternal Bachelor is completely justified.

You would do better to argue that there is no bias against men in the main stream media, news, commercials, etc. Good luck with that though.

If you were actually logical like you claim to be, you wouldn’t be doing that. Do YOU have a hard science degree? If not, you are just as under educated as them.

You’ve demonstrated nicely that you don’t think scientifically or logically.

Also, one does not need a degree in science to become a great scientist per se. You don’t need a degree in anything to become highly educated, unless you’re brainwashed to believe the contrary. Just ask and I’ll be glad to give plenty of evidential examples to prove this obvious fact. Think about it.

The word “educated” is often a buzzword superficially thrown around by disreputable socialists. Hence, the word undereducated could be taken to mean not indoctrinated and that’s how many of us wish to remain.

Please demonstrate in actuality the result of your degree or education – that we might be awed and persuaded to join a university to better ourselves! Many of us know that former institutions of higher learning are now cesspools of sorts.

And yes, I DO have a hard science degree. And yes, I AM female. So obviously, all of your arguments about females are completely wrong. Have a nice day.

ALL arguments here about females are completely wrong cause yew have a science degree? That’s some funky logic, chick. No degree you possess refutes the arguments presented at EB. Understand? And If you truly have a degree in science, then I don’t want one! If anything, your posts give evidence as to how hard sciences have been dumbing down to accommodate undeserving women.

Watch this blogger now say that I couldn’t possibly be an engineer simply because I accidentally posted that twice.

What may cast doubt on your status is that you bizarrely hoist your degree as evidence for your otherwise entirely unsupported claim that, “all of your arguments about females are completely wrong.” That has got to be the most illogical statement I’ve seen here in a long while. It’s so moronic that one might think it’s an exaggerated parody of an illogical dimbot.

All I asked was why this person keeps making generalizations.

That’s like asking someone if they’ve stopped beating their wife yet. As you’ve already been told, he relayed an observation from work yet this generalization, that you insist exists, has yet to be uncovered. Again, what generalizations? And we already know that, not all women R like dAt, so don’t go there.

What’s with this obsession about generalizations anyway? Is that the only thing these women are learning about in college? The vice of all vices – generalizations! My goodness.

You should reread the replies to your thoughtless question since your statements have also been refuted by other logically thinking fellows. Indeed, logical minds think alike . . . Often the guys at EB logically cover a subject so well that there is little left to be said.

You guys are making fun of me because I want to obtain a PhD.

No, it’s more likely related to the reasons I’ve outlined. You honestly seem more like a typical teenybopper than a woman who is anywhere near ready for a Ph.D.

And its not a personal attack to point out to someone that they are persisting in a logical misstep.

You should worry about your own logical missteps. You’ve haven’t pointed out anything except that you tend to think irrationally.

And yes I do know what men want, they want a blowjob, a dinner and to be left alone.

That’s a bit of a generalization don’t you think? That is, in accordance with how you seem to loosely measure stereotypes. What men? Practice what you preach.

It’s funny that so many women can’t even post a few paragraphs or less without trampling their own points or destroying their credibility. I suppose one benefit of not banning them is that they tend to lynch themselves . . .

So, BJs, dinner and leaving him alone constitutes a good relationship or what? How could a man even kiss a woman with that mentality?

All three of those things I provide very well.

Well then stick to those things and stop pretending to be logical.

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At 5:00 PM, bignasty said…

Lisa, I hear you about the ladies room…I’d either have to wait 15 minutes just to gain access to the one stall bathroom at work or run a marathon across the building and use the one where the women congregated and have to listen to their gossip. What the hell do women DO in the bathroom anyway? After all these years I haven’t figured it out myself!

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At 8:02 PM, Lisa said…

Bravo Misogynic Gent. Well said. So and so, I will say the very first time I read a post on this site I thought it might have been a bit extreme. Then I took some time to absorb the content and the comments and other posts and it all started to make sense. It is clearly about bringing light to an imbalance and offering some sort of counter weight. Sometimes you have to be shocking and profane to get people thinking. Sometimes you have to suggest the extreme to expose the extreme. Generalizations don’t show up on their own. They are cultivated by the behavior of the group being generalized. Instead of attempting to discredit the generalization by focusing strictly on the exceptions, spend time considering why the generalization is even there to begin with. If some of the women who came here would spend a little more time trying to understand versus getting snitty and making assumptions, I sincerely believe they would get something out of it. I do. Almost everyday, actually. It’s amazing some of the things I notice in conversations, in print, on the television…that would have blown right past me before.

I think any new female reader should take a look at Duncan’s site hit meter. If he was off base he wouldn’t be connecting with so many people.

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At 9:31 AM, Misogynic_Gent said…

Thanks Lisa. You’re quite friendly and I’m sure most bachelors here appreciate your supportive posts.

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At 2:06 AM, So and So said…

I guess I just still don’t understand this. Really, I don’t. I don’t understand why you guys are upset. People are dumb, people are emotional. Men and woman are both this way. I do act very logically. I don’t take any money from my boyfriend. I don’t expect him to do anything for me. I cook for him because it makes me happy. I give him blowjobs because it makes him happy and I like doing it. I don’t call him to find out where he is. I let him go out with his friends whenever/wherever he wants. I don’t ask him when he’ll be home. I’m not jealous of any of his female friends. I don’t hint around for any presents. I DID buy my bf something for Vday (a watch) unlike the girls in the vday post. He took a day off work to spend to spend it with me me. We watched a whole bunch of old western movies that he wanted to see. I don’t ever nag him about marriage or children (he is the one who does that). If I were to get pregnant and had the baby I would never expect him to pay child support. I never call him when my car has a flat tire on the road, I fix it myself. I don’t wait for him to open the door for me. I ask him to carry heavy stuff for me. I’m an manufacturing engineer, I’m going to obtain my PhD (actually my candidacy exam is soon.) I’ll always make more money than him, so I’ll never be bothering him for any of his. In fact, I never even ask him about his money. He goes out and spends his money the way he wants to spend it. We have a COMPLETELY 50-50 relationship. I am an absolutely non-controlling gf. It sounds this is what the EC and other posters would want in a girlfriend. So I get accused of being illogical? I just showed you guys that there are girls who act exactly the way you want them to, and you guys STILL have to throw a fit. What is the problem now?

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At 10:07 AM, Anonymous said…

I would just like to ask those who are cutting down So And So if they would just address her arguments and not add the insults. We need to encourage women to read this blog, and insults just drive them away.

The way I see it is: a, we need female allies and b, how can women ever hope to straighten themselves out if they never read blogs like this? (It’s possible I suppose, but not jolly well likely.)

So and So might not yet be an ally, but at least she’s here and that’s a step in the right direction.

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At 3:22 PM, Lisa said…

So and so, EB isn’t about what you as an ‘individual’ might be doing. There are exceptions. I feel I am an exception to many of the concerns voiced here. I can see where their concerns come from. What makes people upset is when women who feel they are the exception come here and poo-poo everything being said b/c “they” don’t do that. There are plenty of men here who have been on the receiving end of the things you supposedly would never do. They deserve to be heard and supported.

It’s great that you personally choose to be fair with your boyfriend and someday, perhaps, your husband. This is the thing though, if you ever decided you didn’t want to be fair anymore, the law would be on your side…not his. Take the time to read through as many of the posts as you can. Don’t read them with eyes looking for exceptions or how things don’t apply to you. Read them with eyes looking to understand the bigger picture. It’s not about women being physically/mentally more capable of selfishness and cruelty. It’s about them being legally/socialy more capable through Western laws and ideals.

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At 4:24 PM, Anonymous said…

so and so posted– “I am an absolutely non-controlling gf. It sounds this is what the EC and other posters would want in a girlfriend.”

There’s only one small problem with this argument…

Most men would like their girlfriend to be an actual, heterosexual female.

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At 11:15 PM, Anonymous said…

I worked in higher education for over a decade and that’s where I learned that in female-dominated “work”-places there is almost nothing going on that you could actually call WORK.

Most of everything that happens in academia is about personal and group therapy for any aggrieved female and her sistren.

Look what’s going on at Harvard, fer christ’s sake. The fem-girlies are going to be subsidized to destroy a fine university in the name of gender “ekwality.”

(Translation: no men need apply for any tenure-track faculty positions, ever.)

Every female college president I’ve ever met, every V.P., every Dean … have all been certifiable whack-jobs.

My favorite was a menopausal black feminist who became a college president and spent most of her days screaming at the grounds-keepers about why she could still see dandelions (weeds) growing in the expanse of grass outside her executive office suite.
(I am not making this up…)

And when she wasn’t trying to eradicate dandelions she was busily chopping off men’s career opportunities.

Under her tenure, the college administration went from 70% male to barely 15% during her ten years of championing “diversity.”

Women make terrible leaders, mainly because they have no sense of justice.

That’s why most women would rather work for a male boss. (And, of course, if their boss is a man, they can employ all their devious feminine wiles and girly psychology to their advantage.)

I have long expressed that I would be happy to have my taxes raised by 100% if a law could be passed giving all women a guaranteed annual income to just STAY AWAY from any place where actual work needs to be done.

The gross domestic product of every nation would skyrocket!

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At 11:28 AM, Misogynic_Gent said…

People are dumb, people are emotional. Men and woman are both this way.

How is that relevant to anything? You’re using this statement as a red herring to divert attention away from the arguments at hand. It’s vague drivel.

I do act very logically.

You certainly don’t here.

I’m going to obtain my PhD (actually my candidacy exam is soon.) I’ll always make more money than him, so I’ll never be bothering him for any of his. In fact, I never even ask him about his money. He goes out and spends his money the way he wants to spend it. . .

It’s logically fallacious to present any of that as evidence. I explained this in my first reply, yet your wheels now spin even faster in the same illogical hole you were in before.

We have a COMPLETELY 50-50 relationship. I am an absolutely non-controlling gf. It sounds this is what the EC and other posters would want in a girlfriend. So I get accused of being illogical?

What are you prattling about? Is that why I called you illogical? You are accused of being illogical, because you continually make unreasonable statements and rash contentions like the one directly above. There seems to be no chain of reason in your claims or conclusions.

I just showed you guys that there are girls who act exactly the way you want them to, and you guys STILL have to throw a fit. What is the problem now?

The problem is that you still haven’t backed any of your initial assertions. You made impulsive accusations, then went on a tangent about your personal life. Remarkably you continued this same tangent (even more vigorously) despite being informed as to why you should focus elsewhere.

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At 11:30 AM, Misogynic_Gent said…

Anonymous10:07: would just like to ask those who are cutting down So And So if they would just address her arguments and not add the insults.

Her arguments have been debunked many times over, but sometimes insults are warranted. Still, I’ll try to keep it in mind.

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At 9:57 PM, Hero said…

“I’m going to obtain my Ph. (actually my candidacy exam is soon.)”

So-and-so, just because you’re getting a Ph.D., doesn’t mean that you have a C.L.U.E.

Why is it that western women constantly feel compelled to recite their resumes and credentials to men? Do they think it’s a turn-on for us?

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